Ideas For Next Fourza Racing Series? *Updated*

"SVTyler" (svtyler) 06/09/2015 at 18:00 • Filed to: Fourza

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Good ideas so far but should add a caveat to the suggestion part of this post: I don’t have time to build and test everyone’s ideas myself so it’s up to you to develop the series yourself. You should have specific PI and cars in mind and they should have roughly similar performance across the board to ensure racing will be as close as possible. Ideally we should have a bunch of ready-to-go ideas to choose from and no work should need to be done beyond deciding which one we want to do.

*original post as follows*

We have two specific series in mind we’d like feedback on, but if you’ve got your own idea we’d like to hear it as well. Nothing is set in stone yet so it can all change depending on what you guys want to do.

After the Trans-Am and Two-Five cars I figured we should try out something a bit less challenging to drive. As such, one of the series we’re considering is a Continental Tire/Rolex Sports Car-inspired series. With both myself and robluvscars1 having built and tested cars (his built to high S-class and mine at A600) we have two options are far as PI goes, so if everyone who’s planning on participating could hop on our club garage and test out both groups of cars and see which ones they like best that’d be awesome. All his cars have number plates and graphics and are somewhere in the 660-690 PI range while mine are all A600. I’m personally leaning towards the A600 cars just because they’re so much easier to drive but this is a democracy so your input will determine what we do. As of right now there are 12 A600 cars and 7 S-class cars so keep that in mind as well.

The second series on the alternating weeks is a bit more open. RoboRed has a classic sports car series he’s working on with all kinds of stuff like Healeys and BMW 507’s and the like and Corey has a 50’s/60’s Le Mans prototype idea in gestation as well. If these ideas sound good to you please let us know so we can develop them further, and if you have your own idea we can put it to vote; ideally the cars have some relation to each other (were in a past racing series, from the same country of origin, whatever) and have roughly similar performance so that the racing and BoP adjustments will be as close as possible.

And to answer anyone’s question, yes, I’m working on the Trans-Am and Two-Five post-season and it’ll be up sometime this week. I’m just going through all the saved replays I have trying to make sure I scored everyone correctly and that I didn’t miss anything.

TheHondaBro > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 18:04

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Hot Hatchbacks.

Exotics.

Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 18:13

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I’m partial to my idea of classic GT cars, but I had another idea.

What if we do a spec series with the Seat Leon Supercopa? It is a part of the base game, so everyone has access to it. It is a lightweight FWD car with good downforce, so it is easy to drive. There are enough upgrades for it that we could retain the idea of matching lap times. Also, if we do this it would be like a touring car series, even going as far as accepting light contact possibly. Of course, we would sacrifice diversity in the field of cars.

I also like the idea of having a series based around our daily drivers. That could be a lot less serious and just more fun.

djmt1 > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 18:13

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Heavyweights.

You haven’t Forza’d properly until you have been 3 wide in a Hummer alongside a Transit and a Bel Air.

TheHondaBro > djmt1 06/08/2015 at 18:16

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We did tag in Hummers one time. It was intense.

camaroboy68ss > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 18:19

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I like the 50s roadsters idea but open to all of the early roadsters. That or a vintage stock car series would be fun I built two different eras of cars (early and late) and got all the cars running close lap times

MultiplaOrgasms > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 18:33

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Cheap Shitboxes.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 18:48

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Just to clarify: not just British cars, but also roadsters of that era (or of the style of that era). 300 SLRs, 250 TRs, Corvette C1s, BMW 507s, the Shelby Cobra, and others.

Tohru > djmt1 06/08/2015 at 19:22

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Class B, minimum curb weight = ‘12 Nissan GT-R?

Tohru > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 19:26

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I like the idea of alternating between “super serious” racing (i.e. A-class sports car series), and “casual” racing (i.e. Spec Country Squire).

IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 19:59

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Hot Hatchbacks would be cool. Or budget cars that cost under 10,000cr or something like that. And build them to a C or B class.

ly2v8-Brian > SVTyler 06/08/2015 at 20:05

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80's and 90's street: No supercars but anything the average Joe could afford from that time period. Set it up like our B450 series. Similar rules all race parts and the engine last for mods.

Or something that means I can drive the E30 M3.

SVTyler > Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS 06/08/2015 at 22:39

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I kicked around the idea of an Super 2000 series like that and using the Renault and Peugeot as well. I can add that to the poll.

SVTyler > ly2v8-Brian 06/08/2015 at 22:45

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I tried out a 90’s DTM series with the Alfa, Cosworth Merc, and E30 but the cars were too far apart lap-time wise imo. As far as the 80s/90s series goes I like that idea but it’d be difficult to match the cars lap-time and performance-wise given the diversity of the cars of that era. If you make a list of cars and test them out yourself that’d make things a lot easier.

SVTyler > camaroboy68ss 06/09/2015 at 04:10

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Are those cars up in the club garage? We can test them out and see how we like them.

SVTyler > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 06/09/2015 at 04:11

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Build some cars, test them, and throw them in the club garage and we can go from there.

CaptDale - is secretly British > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/09/2015 at 18:31

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RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/09/2015 at 18:47

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What PI did you have them at?

We did a pseudo-DTM in Group J, but the cars were spec and at B490. I’d love to do a classic DTM, but I think the cars would be better in the A class range.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/09/2015 at 18:58

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I wouldn’t be opposed to that “Daily Driver” series that Desu brought up. That sounds like it would be fun for everyone.

Other ideas I had were classic DTM (A550), new DTM (R2), classic “indycar” (Ferrari 312s, R2), new “indycar” (Chevy Orecas, R1), and possibly a Forza Horizon dirt/mixed terrain series.

Viggen > SVTyler 06/09/2015 at 19:14

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Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge based series sounds fun.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/09/2015 at 19:50

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A600 which was fine for the Merc and BMW but the Alfa was like 2-3 seconds slower per lap because of the AWD swap. I was going to try and see just what PI would work with all three cars but I’m not sure if it’s worth it.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/09/2015 at 20:36

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Alfa was on par with the Merc at B490, but I dunno how it could/would scale. Also, that was with RWD for everyone (which I believe all DTM cars were anyways).

I have some A530 cars I threw together a week ago (242, 190E, M3, Carlton Omega, Mustang, 155, RS2 80, and Sierra), but I haven’t test-driven them.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > camaroboy68ss 06/09/2015 at 20:43

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Vintage stock cars sounds like it might be kind of fun.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/09/2015 at 21:03

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Oh, I also forgot to mention Group B (S700).

camaroboy68ss > SVTyler 06/09/2015 at 21:32

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no I can put them up though, I did also have all the tunes on my storefront for free

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/10/2015 at 01:15

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I can upload them, but there’s not enough room in the club garage.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/10/2015 at 03:00

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I’ll move the cars tomorrow night once I get home from work.

Alevitt96 > SVTyler 06/10/2015 at 11:50

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There are 3 types of Miata/MX-5 in the game. We could do a Spec Miata/MX-5 Series of some sorts

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/11/2015 at 02:22

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There’s about twelve free spots now, go crazy.

SVTyler > Alevitt96 06/11/2015 at 06:28

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Tested them out yet? Spec Miata’s an idea I’ve been kicking around but haven’t fully gotten around to trying them out myself.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/11/2015 at 10:33

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I have uploaded the DTM cars. I’ll work on tweaking them later.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/12/2015 at 09:33

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Dunno if you saw but the mods have posted an authorship page.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/want-to-be-an-…

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > SVTyler 06/12/2015 at 12:07

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The GT3 cars from the original races and R2875 cars.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 06/13/2015 at 01:26

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Never had a chance to do an R2 race before.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/13/2015 at 03:59

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Me and Corey did some fiddling with a couple of the cars and they are surprisingly close. Have to go through the rest of them of course.

SVTyler > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 06/13/2015 at 05:35

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I’ll free up a few garage spots if need be, let me know.

Viggen > SVTyler 06/13/2015 at 16:49

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Ok, here’s my idea: 1990s GT1. 911 GT1-98, F1 GTR, F40 Competizione, Viper GTS-R, Nissan R390. Might also be able to get the GT500 spec Supra, Skyline, and NSX to work with too.

EricisDaywalker > Viggen 06/14/2015 at 22:02

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And you know it.

Vote: Continental Tires GS class!

Ricky Bobby accent - “We got all kinds of cars to choose from: “Porches, Camaras, ‘Beemers, ‘Stangs, Datsuns, and Mopahs fer yall’s to try out. Oh yeah, we even got one of dem der James Bond cars.... They all race against each other in the GS class. Then theys got the ST class with 4 bangers racin right next to you. Its pure excitement!”

Go to the club and try the cars at the garage. The cars are listed under EricIsDaywalker (aka Robluvcars1); thats my 2 GTs.

Viggen > EricisDaywalker 06/14/2015 at 22:06

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Saw a couple of the cars on there. S600 right? Really want to do this. Especially because I’ll be able to do another Gulf Aston for GS and a Cayman for ST.

EricisDaywalker > camaroboy68ss 06/14/2015 at 22:23

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Checked out your SF Dalton, but no tunes are there, only paints...

EricisDaywalker > Viggen 06/14/2015 at 22:58

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Yes.

The beauty of the Continental Tires Sportscar Racing Series is the cars used are production based. IMO, it is as close (in spirit) to the original Trans Am series as you can get with modern sports/pony cars. The GS is the big bore class, and the ST is the small bore class. All on the track at the same time. Could do back to back weekends like we just did, or multi-class at once in a race. Your thoughts?

As you know, todays Trans Am series cars are tube framed, non-production, race based cars.

The Continental GS cars are @S620-S670 (The cars have been built to have similar PI (with .3 pts for Speed, Accel, and Launch) which yielded laps times within 1-2 seconds when I tested them.) Keep in mind that if this series is chosen, as administaror, I will set out specific build specifications for each car, then you tune it, and make the adjustments for driving style. Also BOP will be allowed. Keep in mind that the series uses production based cars, so staying true to the real world appearance is also important. Only factory style bodys will be used; therefore no assist from Forza aero (yes, IMO aero is an assist just like ABS, or auto trans).

The ST cars have not been discussed in detail, but I threw a few up in the garage when I was testing the cars out. They are not completely sorted out; for that matter neither are the GS cars. However, when trying the cars out, keep in mind that I use the “braking line assist” as my reference for when to brake on the track. The builds in the garage have no ABS, so when testing I adjusted the brakes based on squeezing the trigger and holding it down while following the braking line...

EricisDaywalker > SVTyler 06/14/2015 at 23:24

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Common people, vote for: Continental Tire GS!

How could you say “No” to these beauties?

Look at ‘em!

You know you want to take one out for a spin tonight! ;)

Another idea to float around is a “drag racing” series.

I ran one a few years back; it can be lots of fun when you are racing in “brackets”.

Viggen > EricisDaywalker 06/14/2015 at 23:48

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Indeed the modern Trans-Am cars are closer to Daytona Prototypes than street cars.

Anyway, I’d go for back to back weeks, but that depends on the number of entries. Having a varying PI and going off of lap times using a BOP is probably the best route. But I know I’ll be at back of the pack regardless; automatic and no idea what I’m doing when tuning. Stock aero is fine by me. The CTSC rulebook states that anyway. Would the legal cars be the types currently running in the series? Would any others be added?

EricisDaywalker > Viggen 06/15/2015 at 00:21

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Yes, and others are likely up for consideration. I’ve included several cars already: The Aston Martin (the model I used) and the the Dodge Challeger do not race in this series (I think a team entered a Challenger in a few races a year or two ago. But didnt do well; however, they have been doing well in the current Trans Am series). I considered using the Caddy CTS-V Coupe and the Jaguar F also, but havent had a chance to test them. You will note that I have a ZL1 Camaro and the SS both included. The ZL1 build used is Naturally Aspirated (it is factory Super Charged), and it is very similar in body to the current Z28, so I decided to use it. The Camaro SS is an older version of the 1LE package used. I also used the older 2005 body for the Mustang GT as well as the current Boss 302R.

Also, keep in mind that these cars are mainly “S” class due to light as possible race weight, with race slicks for traction. They are all in the 430 to 530 hp range. (I also have builds with reduced power as some can be built with less. But the problem is there are others that are very close in PI with almost stock engines.) Too much reduction in power on the bigger V8s would change the PI for the Speed, Launch and Accel, specs too far out of competitive balance. I could probably add weight back to those cars that are super quick with minimal mods to engine, if I reduced the HP on the bigger V8s for parity. I will explore that more if there is enough interest in the series...

Viggen > EricisDaywalker 06/15/2015 at 00:31

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I mentioned it to Corey at the end of the race and he sounded interested. Honestly I just want a sports car series or something modern.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/15/2015 at 19:00

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RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/17/2015 at 00:00

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So I’ve done a bunch of tuning with the DTM cars since I first uploaded them.

- added two new ones because I did research and found that they were also in DTM (had no clue either)
- all cars are within a second of each other on Mugello except for two. One because it’s still too slow (but I think I *almost* have it within an acceptable time. I’m just tired of driving the hell out of it right now as of this post), and the other is zomgplznerfnow unexpectedly faster than the rest
- all the current tunes are synced with the club garage

Current roster:
- Alfa-Romeo 155 Q4
- Audi RS2 Avant (Audi 80)
- BMW E30 M3
- BMW M635csi
- Ford Sierra RS500
- Ford SVT Cobra R (Ford Mustang)
- Lotus Carlton (Opel Omega)
- Mercedes-Benz 190E
- Toyota Supra 2.0 GT
- Volvo 240 Turbo

Viggen > EricisDaywalker 06/20/2015 at 18:49

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Just ran a test at Sunset Peninsula Club Circuit Reverse with the GS cars I’d most likely drive from what you uploaded (Vantage, 911 GT3, ZL1). I was getting 1:02 through 1:04 in them. Was most comfortable in the Aston (1:03) but fastest in the ZL1 (1:02). I’d say you’ve done a good job!

EricisDaywalker > Viggen 06/23/2015 at 23:37

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Thanks.

Still testing.

Added the Subaru STI to the GS class roster...

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/27/2015 at 21:15

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Sooo....when are we going to see a voting thread put up for these ideas? I really want to start doing races again.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 06/27/2015 at 23:14

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Soon, like this coming week probably. Problem is everyone’s suggesting all kinds of things but no one’s actually fleshed out a feasible series, so it looks like it’ll be between the old sports cars and 90’s DTM unless someone wants to actually put in time and develop another idea.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/28/2015 at 15:42

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Well, there’s also the Continental Tire series and the Daily Driver series (the former has cars in the garage, the latter doesn’t need a set by definition).

I’m gonna do some writeups for the two I’ve put forth. I’m also gonna do one for the faux Classic Indycar series as a non-BoP series (I just realized yesterday that I don’t need to do much tuning for it since it’s a spec series, and it’s just one car. Sadly, the garage is full. Again.)

I’ll link the googledocs when they’re finished.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 06/28/2015 at 22:22

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Here ye be.

Classic Roadster
Classic DTM
Classic "Indycar"

Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS > SVTyler 06/29/2015 at 23:34

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Here is the full list of ones I thought of:

Classic GT: Cars like the 250 GTO, C2 Corvette, Miura, etc. Start PI of S620 before adjustments. The only major potential issue is that some of the cars need turbos to get to that PI. Also, some of the rear aero for the cars are a full size spoiler and not the lip one.

Seat Leon Supercup Spec: Seat Leon Supercup only. Start PI of ~A580 before adjustments. This would be basically a touring car series since this was a touring car. No car diversity though.

Underground: Only cars from Need for Speed Underground 1 and 2, many of which are in the game. Start PI of S650? I’ve done absolutely no testing for this one, but I thought it could be interesting if people want to do it.

GT/LMP Multi-class: I’m just throwing this one out there since Le Mans was a lot of fun. Wouldn’t be able to match lap times, though.

Let me know what you think.

SVTyler > Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS 07/03/2015 at 03:08

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I’ll add the classic GT and Leon Supercup to the series just because you’ve tested them out. We’re running out of summer here so the sooner we can start the better.

Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS > SVTyler 07/03/2015 at 12:30

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Are you going to do a poll or are you going to choose one of the ideas that’s been thrown out there and tested?

SVTyler > Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS 07/03/2015 at 16:21

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Poll of the tested series, should be up over the weekend.